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Technical Board Members
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Present:
* Kent Paschke, Chair (MOLLER Scientific Coordinator)
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Kent Paschke, Chair (MOLLER Scientific Coordinator)
* Krishna Kumar (MOLLER Spokesperson)
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Krishna Kumar (MOLLER Spokesperson)
* Mark Pitt (Deputy Spokesperson, MOLLER-NSF Project Coordinator)
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Mark Pitt (Deputy Spokesperson, MOLLER-NSF Project Coordinator)
* Ruben Fair (DOE Project Manager)
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Ruben Fair (DOE Project Manager)
* Klaus Dehmelt (Deputy DOE Project Manager)
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Klaus Dehmelt (Deputy DOE Project Manager)
* Michael Gericke (MOLLER-CFI Project Coordinator)
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Michael Gericke (MOLLER-CFI Project Coordinator)
* Juliette Mammei  (Executive Board International Representative)
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Mark Jones (Hall A Leader)
* Mark Jones (Hall A Leader)
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David Armstrong (Elected Executive Board Member)
* Paul A Souder (Elected Executive Board Member)
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Dave Meekins (L2 CAM: Target)
* David Armstrong (Elected Executive Board Member)
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Carl Zorn (L2 CAM: Detectors)
* Robin Wines (Project Engineer)
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Ciprian Gal (L2 CAM: Infrastructure)
* Dave Meekins (L2 CAM: Target)
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Robert Michaels (L2 CAM: DAQ)
* Mike Dion (L2 CAM: Spectrometer)
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Vladimir Berdnikov (L2 CAM: Installation)
* Carl Zorn (L2 CAM: Detectors)
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Silviu Covrig (Working Group Convener: Target)
* Ciprian Gal (L2 CAM: Infrastructure)
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Dustin McNulty (Working Group Convener: Integrating Detectors)
* Robert Michaels (L2 CAM: DAQ)
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Paul King (Working Group Convener: DAQ)
* Vladimir Berdnikov (L2 CAM: Installation)
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Jim Napolitano (Working Group Convener: Polarimetry)
* Silviu Covrig (Working Group Convener: Target)
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Eric Sun (joined for technical assistance)
* Caryn Palatchi  (Working Group Convener: Polarized Beam)
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* Dustin McNulty (Working Group Convener: Integrating Detectors)
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Not attending:
* Paul King (Working Group Convener: DAQ)  
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Juliette Mammei (Executive Board International Representative)
* Nilanga Liyanage (Working Group Convener: Tracking Detectors)
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  Paul A Souder (Elected Executive Board Member)
* Jim Napolitano (Working Group Convener: Polarimetry)
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Robin Wines (Project Engineer)
* Rakitha Beminiwattha (Working Group Convener: Simulations)
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Mike Dion (L2 CAM: Spectrometer)
* Yury Kolomensky (Working Group Convener: Physics Extraction)
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Caryn Palatchi (Working Group Convener: Polarized Beam)
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Nilanga Liyanage (Working Group Convener: Tracking Detectors)
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Rakitha Beminiwattha (Working Group Convener: Simulations)
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Yury Kolomensky (Working Group Convener: Physics Extraction)

Revision as of 17:12, 23 October 2023

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Technical Board Meeting September 18, 2023 << >> Technical Board Meeting October 30, 2023

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Agenda

  • Scattering chamber exit window design and lead time [Dave Meekins] Slides
  • Effect of Aluminum Scagttering chamber exit window on MOLLER backgrounds Ciprian docdb:1172
  • Physics evaluation of Drift pipe end cap design change [Kent] docdb:1171

Minutes

Drift pipe end:

  • Drift pipe end cap was "dish" shaped, about 1" thick, to avoid an excessively thick wall. This added cost and schedule concerns, which can be relieved with a flat, 3" thick flange.
  • There is a 5" thick wall just upstream of this, at the end of the downstream torus vacuum enclosure.
  • Simulations confirm this understanding: the additional thickness at the upstream end of the drift pipe do not add significantly to backgrounds.
  • There might even be a very small benefit, but at this level the statistical significance of the simulation is not fully sufficient.


Scattering Chamber Exit Window:

Cip: Physics simulation

  • added Al window at the scattering chamber exit
  • found that 400micron roughly doubles the total Al contributions from the target windows. The additional contribution is consistent with linear scaling with thickness of the scattering chamber windown
  • "deconvolution" results don't degrade, but this is based on assumptions of Al fractions and asymmetries being perfectly known
  • In fact, Al corrections will be uncertain at the 10% level due to uncertainty in the Al asymmetry
  • Qweak measured APV to 10% (Note in chat: SM coupling known better than this, so this would be a worst-case limit for knowledge of asymmetry.)
  • DA: what about uncertainty in rate?
    • rates with gas-filled target are hard to get, since knowing the gas density was difficulty
    • KK: simulation is required, other studies will be possible
    • KK : Be window would be very valuable to have, even if installed later. So we should keep this development alive, even if we got with the Al window to start Run1.

Meekins:

  • delivery is not going to be available from previous vendor.
  • Materian (now purchased and absorbed into another company) will no longer provide flanges.
    • Al is easy, but Be is difficult
    • Be brazing is possible, (in conversation with WessDel) but this is also challenging to move forward due to inconsistent vendor response.
      • This would require the experiment is accept brazing alloy of zinc/Al
    • Be: better thermal conduction, better cyclic loading, low Z for backgrounds
  • Aim to prepare to handle 20psi load if H2 cell failure. 15pse for atmosphere
  • Dishing is required, allows for relief of mechanical stress under thermal load
  • This design has 10 mils in vacuum window, 25 mils in 3" diameter for accepted scattered particles
  • Old window, was about 1 calendar year replacement cycle at 10trips/hr
    • new design is probably much better, but not so clear yet. Now looking at 70k cycles compared to 45k in flat design.
  • status: "Its done", this can be built in machine shop.
  • May need to make several to meet thickness goals, with reasonably small variation. There are measurement tools to know what we have well.
  • KK: Summary from the experiment side: we would prefer Be window to improve physics, but we are ok with this Al design even for full experiment.

Attendance

Present: Kent Paschke, Chair (MOLLER Scientific Coordinator) Krishna Kumar (MOLLER Spokesperson) Mark Pitt (Deputy Spokesperson, MOLLER-NSF Project Coordinator) Ruben Fair (DOE Project Manager) Klaus Dehmelt (Deputy DOE Project Manager) Michael Gericke (MOLLER-CFI Project Coordinator) Mark Jones (Hall A Leader) David Armstrong (Elected Executive Board Member) Dave Meekins (L2 CAM: Target) Carl Zorn (L2 CAM: Detectors) Ciprian Gal (L2 CAM: Infrastructure) Robert Michaels (L2 CAM: DAQ) Vladimir Berdnikov (L2 CAM: Installation) Silviu Covrig (Working Group Convener: Target) Dustin McNulty (Working Group Convener: Integrating Detectors) Paul King (Working Group Convener: DAQ) Jim Napolitano (Working Group Convener: Polarimetry) Eric Sun (joined for technical assistance)

Not attending: Juliette Mammei (Executive Board International Representative)

Paul A Souder (Elected Executive Board Member)
Robin Wines (Project Engineer)

Mike Dion (L2 CAM: Spectrometer) Caryn Palatchi (Working Group Convener: Polarized Beam) Nilanga Liyanage (Working Group Convener: Tracking Detectors) Rakitha Beminiwattha (Working Group Convener: Simulations) Yury Kolomensky (Working Group Convener: Physics Extraction)